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Onderwerp: RE: [BPQ32] Re: Reject Lists
Datum: Thu, 4 Feb 2016 22:17:38 -0000
Van: 'John Wiseman' john.wiseman@cantab.net [BPQ32]
<BPQ32@yahoogroups.com>
Antwoord-naar: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com
Aan: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com
Discussing operating nodes with only RF links is not taboo.
Insulting people who perfectly legally choose to use Internet linking in
their system is.
73,
John
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From: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com [mailto:BPQ32@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: 04 February 2016 21:15
To: BPQ32@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BPQ32] Re: Reject Lists
That is a very good point about a BBS SYSOP being in much the same position,
with the same obligations as a repeater control operator. If you cannot put
a halt to illegal or obnoxious operation on your system, then of course your
license (and/or pocketbook) could easily wind up in jeopardy. It is also
true that each of us as SYSOPs are owners of our systems and as long as we
hew to the regulations, nobody is entitled to tell any of us how to run our
systems.
Having said that, after more than three decades of Packet BBS operation, I
can only remember one occasion where I had to reject by callsign, and it was
over a legal issue PLUS obnoxious behavior. - The fellow was posting
messages to my board that included inappropriate content that a bad word
filter could not address, and ignored calls to cease and desist. With some
reluctance, I wound up rejecting his call in the end.
Matthew appears to believe that non-ham BBS SYSOPs will cease and desist
upon being asked to. My experience does not support that theory. In fact, an
attempt to discuss the issue here brings on immediate threats of moderation
even though no misbehavior resulted from it. The very topic of operating
without non-ham links was judged to be taboo.
73 DE Charles, N5PVL
On 2/4/2016 12:31 PM, KA9LCF ka9lcf@yahoo.com [BPQ32] wrote:
I am pretty certain that amateur radio operators who go through the trouble,
expense and exposure of setting up a BBS do not have intentions of rejecting
anyone but the most offensive or, reasonably so, illegal operators. And
with exception of the illegal operators, those that border on violations of
decorum, would not be excluded without the SYSOP having first sent warnings
or at least a reply to state the reason(s) for the exclusion outright. I am
also fairly certain that once that exclusion was implemented that if the
excluded party were to offer explanation or assurance to discontinue the
offenses for the exclusion, the SYSOP would reverse it.
Part of what has been missing from this discussion on rejection, is for
everyone to remember that we are all guests of someone's station. What
might be okay for one system administrator, might be taboo for another;
there is no rule that says any station must operate at the behest of
another. Repeater trustees have the authority to issue a cease and desist
order to any amateur of the system under their trust. The FCC has been
quite clear on this and will back up the repeater owner/trustee. The same
applies to BBS administrators.
Just my two bits (used to be 2 cents, but rates have gone up).
73,
Bradd - KA9LCF
This brings us all back to remembering to have fun and enjoy, but to also be
mindful of your content so as to assure it is in keeping with Amateur Radio
decorum.
On 2/4/2016 10:25 AM, charles brabham n5pvl@uspacket.org [BPQ32] wrote:
We hear platitudes about how BBS SYSOPs who do or do not want to participate
in non-ham links ought to be able to do so. - The only way to effectively do
so however, requires an ability to isolate one type of network (ham) from
the other (non-ham).
I suspect this is the real reason why there has ever been any resistance to
an ability to reject by callsign.
73 DE Charles, N5PVL
On 2/4/2016 12:17 AM, ag6qo@yahoo.com [BPQ32] wrote:
John,
I believe that times have changed and that in order to make it reasonable to
prevent illegal use of our stations, whether intended or not, this sort of
user lockout is valuable.
To be effective, it has to work not only for BPQmail, but for the node as
well. For RF connections as well as AXIP.
While there will always be some power-drunk sysops who would abuse such a
feature, I believe they would not readily attract users anyway.
I'd much rather see a community of enabled amateurs encouraging each other
to provide connections, without worry of breaking some law.
By the way, I am finding the L4 logging very useful already.
Thanks again.
Joe
AG6QO
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